For a few weeks now, I've been having an online "conversation" with a Tulsa Muslim with the online name of Proud Muslim. I decided to put all this on a webpage so you can follow along if you like from the beginning of these comments here which I will update when new comments are made. Below is a recent comment I made:
zTruth: Quoting from Proud Muslim: "Being martyred protecting Islam is a good thing..."
Proud Muslim: If someone attacked what I stood for, I would risk my life to protect it. That's what we did in the Revolutionary War. That's what we did in the Civil War. That's what we did in the Civil Rights Movement. That's what we did in World War I. That's what we did in World War II. Maybe you find our nation's history worrying and extreme. I don't.
zTruth: Proud Muslim, it appears you would take the law into your own hands to defend Islam, if you felt it necessary. You also compared your right to do so to the wars America has fought and other struggles where no religious doctrine was involved. Your apples to oranges comparison is way out there.
There is no correlation between religion and violence you said. Did we not just review one part of the Quran that contradicts this? Did you not say If someone attacked what you stood for, you would risk your life to protect it? In this context, you were talking about fighting and protecting Islam.
The two Muslim Brotherhood leaders whom the Islamic Society of Tulsa has presented to Oklahomans as religious authorities have both affirmed their belief in martyrdom against Israel.
Yusef Qaradawi has endorsed Palestinian suicide bombings for twenty years. These attacks have also been sanctioned by numerous Islamic clerics.
From Islamonline:
Question: I would like to ask about the ruling of Palestinian women carrying out martyr operations.
Dr. Qaradawi answers:The martyr operation is the greatest of all sorts of jihad in the cause of Allah. A martyr operation is carried out by a person who sacrifices himself, deeming his life [of] less value than striving in the cause of Allah, in the cause of restoring the land and preserving the dignity. To such a valorous attitude applies the following Qur'anic verse: "And of mankind is he who would sell himself, seeking the pleasure of Allah; and Allah hath compassion on (His) bondmen." (Qur'an, 2: 207)
Jamal Badawi: First, the intent behind that sacrifice (martyrdom) is exclusively for the sake of pleasing God and supporting His cause. Recently, Badawi was quoted in the paper saying what is wrong with fighting to establish justice in Islam?
Proud Muslim, you claim no knowledge about Yusef Qaradawi or Jamal Badawi yet reads the Quran only in Arabic. Odd.
Your new Imam, Mohamed ElGhobashy, hails from Al-Azhar University. Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, the Shaikh of Al-Azhar, the highest ranking religious official in Egypt, also called for Jihad against Israel ‘in defence of the holy places, the liberation of the occupied land, and the repulsion of the enemy.’
Yet, Imam ElGhobashy said in a recent interview in the Tulsa World, "We should show this beautiful religion of mercy and peace to others," and then blamed the American media as the cause of misunderstanding about Muslims for labeling them terrorists! Of course, not ALL Muslims are terrorists but he wants us to think there are no Muslim terrorists.
Here is the quote from ElGhobashy:
"...On the down side, he said, in recent years, the American media has propagated misunderstandings about Muslims, labeling them as terrorists.
"It makes me sad that Islam is presented as a religion of terror," he said, citing a verse from the Quran that Islam is to be a religion of peace and mercy for all humanity, including non-Muslims..."
You said there is no correlations between violence and religion? Proud Muslim, I'm afraid there is with Islam and many of your religion's Islamic authorities approve of it. They call it justice. In the name of Islam, they take the law into their own hands.
Americans, particularly public officials, are being shamed to dare even link Islam to terrorism or call it what it is. Yet many just quote your own religious authorities.
And on the new "Islam in Oklahoma" web-page by the Islamic Society of Tulsa and the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City they wrote on their "War and fighting in Islam" section under (3 bullet) that its meaning includes "fighting" to establish justice which is a supreme goal in Islam. Missing from this page is any statement that the laws within our country negate ANY jihadist goals of Islam.
Islam does have a written creed for war and fighting and it is in the Quran.
Proud Muslim also lamented that women are now separated from the men when they pray at the mosque at the Islamic Society of Tulsa. This is because a strict version of Sunni Islam is being practiced there. They call it authentic Islam which is probably a strict interpretation of the Quran.
IST's deed is held by the North American Islamic Trust, an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land terror funding trial. Your mosque is permanently affiliated with the Islamic Society of North America, also named an unindicted co-conspirator. This organization was specifically named in a Muslim Brotherhood document as one of their organizations set up in America.
And finally, the person they selected to speak for them as their Quranic expert this year was named by the FBI as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood's board of directors for their North American operations. Jamal Badawi is also an unindicted co-conspirator.
Yet, Proud Muslim calls me narrow-minded.
Update:
Proud Muslim later clarified his/her statement about risking his/her life to the death.
"You seem to have misunderstood my comparison. In the Civil War, we fought to preserve the Union and end slavery. Why? Because that is what America stood for.
If you attacked my right to worship God, I would defend it with protests, marches, etc."
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See also:
Proud Tulsa Muslim: "Being martyred protecting Islam is a good thing...
Muslim Brotherhood
CAIR and Company
Islam in Oklahoma
Fooling the Masses in Oklahoma
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Note: zTruth recognizes there a many fine Muslims in America who simply want to practice their religion who also reject Islamism, or the pursuit of Islamic rule. This would include the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) and their affiliates in the U.S..
When a Muslim or Islamic organization professes their strong community service and interfaith goals in cities and towns all across America, but then has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood - it's disturbing and two-faced.
If you believe I've made a mistake, please send me an e-mail to ztruth@ymail.comand include a credible proof source to help show me where I messed up. Upon confirmation I will gladly make the correction in Oklahoma